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20 Jan 2010 02:48:21 < lindar> Eh?
20 Jan 2010 02:49:32 < lindar> What does Esperanto have to do with our translation?
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20 Jan 2010 03:21:46 < tomoj> oh, it doesn't
20 Jan 2010 03:21:55 < tomoj> but the issues about translation sounded relevant
20 Jan 2010 03:22:05 < tomoj> I'd expect similar kinds of problems for lojban
20 Jan 2010 03:22:19 < tomoj> in terms of translating natlang phrases one by one
20 Jan 2010 03:22:23 <@Broca> lindar is gone.
20 Jan 2010 03:22:28 < tomoj> oh
20 Jan 2010 03:22:29 < tomoj> whoops
20 Jan 2010 03:22:39 < tomoj> I need to figure out a better way to track presence
20 Jan 2010 03:22:52 < tomoj> always tab completing is a good idea I guess
20 Jan 2010 03:29:26 < lericson> TTS announcements are nice, too.
20 Jan 2010 03:30:29 <@Broca> <voice type="robot">lindar has left the building</voice>
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20 Jan 2010 03:36:36 < lindar> There's supposed to be an easer-egg in gnome-about that I can't seem to activate. Any clues?
20 Jan 2010 03:37:24 < lericson> Check the code.
20 Jan 2010 03:37:28 <@Broca> lindar: the Esperanto problem described in that bug is the equivalent of using “nu broda” when “ca'o broda” would be correct.
20 Jan 2010 03:37:46 < lindar> lericson, I'm not that bright. =D
20 Jan 2010 03:38:05 < lericson> lindar: Got a link to an online viewer of the soucre?
20 Jan 2010 03:38:06 < lericson> source
20 Jan 2010 03:38:12 < lindar> Huh. Okay, but how is that significant to our translation? >_>
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20 Jan 2010 03:45:04 < mathw> lericson: all GNOME source code is available to browse on http://git.gnome.org
20 Jan 2010 03:45:23 < lindar> I've already figure it out.
20 Jan 2010 03:45:38 < lindar> I need help translating a rather complex name. "Wanda the GNOME fish".
20 Jan 2010 03:45:54 < lindar> la .uandas. voi finpe pe la .gnom. <---------?
20 Jan 2010 03:48:16 < mathw> Aaah Wanda
20 Jan 2010 03:48:22 < mathw> used to live in my panel
20 Jan 2010 03:48:52 < lindar> Is that an appropriate translation?
20 Jan 2010 03:49:33 < mathw> Well, barring my understanding of the appropriate grammar being lacking, then yes
20 Jan 2010 03:49:50 < mathw> I think it looks appropriate
20 Jan 2010 03:57:56 < lericson> mathw: Yeah, but I don't feel like guessing my way through the code to find the reference to "easter-egg" that lindar was talking about.
20 Jan 2010 03:58:07 < mathw> No neither do I
20 Jan 2010 03:58:31 < mathw> Since it could be in any of hundreds of modules each with many source files
20 Jan 2010 04:01:12 < lericson> My point exactly.
20 Jan 2010 04:05:55 < mathw> And a good point it is too
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20 Jan 2010 04:21:23 < lindar> Okay, I think we've nearly arrived at common agreement.
20 Jan 2010 04:21:28 < lindar> vingreku
20 Jan 2010 04:21:59 < lindar> ...or possibly another arrangement of jvinu zei greku based on how we format the definition.
20 Jan 2010 04:22:42 < lindar> greku - a frame giving shape to something, jvinu - a view of something
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20 Jan 2010 04:31:35 < lindar> OMG
20 Jan 2010 04:31:49 < lindar> Stop that!
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20 Jan 2010 04:31:54 < lericson> http://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/preserving-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics/
20 Jan 2010 04:32:37 < lindar> Did you get my message about jvinu zei greku?
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20 Jan 2010 04:48:23 < lindar> Wow, that was fun.
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20 Jan 2010 04:48:35 < lindar> So, lericson, what do you think of jvinu zei greku?
20 Jan 2010 04:49:09 < lericson> I have no idea what that emans.
20 Jan 2010 04:49:10 < lericson> means
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20 Jan 2010 04:49:34 < lindar> Uhh... aren't you part of jbofanva? >_>
20 Jan 2010 04:49:52 < lericson> I am not.
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20 Jan 2010 04:50:11 < lericson> I hate translating stuff, I've done it before and it's just frustrating and imperfect.
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20 Jan 2010 04:50:31 < lericson> You have one upside to your case however, you won't have to deal with silly pluralization rules and stuff.
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20 Jan 2010 04:52:30 < lindar> Yesh.
20 Jan 2010 04:52:33 < lindar> Well... huh.
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20 Jan 2010 04:53:01 < lindar> Long story short, I think we're arriving at a point where a GUI window = jvinu zei greku (a framed view).
20 Jan 2010 04:53:43 < lindar> I think we're agreeing on that more so than on canko, though xorxes still seems set on literally translating the term (calquing, I think it's called?).
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20 Jan 2010 04:55:57 < lindar> What's your opinion, lericson?
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20 Jan 2010 05:10:46 < timonator> ue pu zi viska lo nu le melbi be mi ninmu cu zutse lo bartu be lo ctuca kumfa gi'e na'e se kansa i ma mukti lo se go'i i lenku vi lo bartu
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20 Jan 2010 05:13:32 < lindar> timonator: .i ba'esai ko tavla le melbi
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20 Jan 2010 05:13:52 < timonator> na viska
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20 Jan 2010 05:14:13 < lindar> .i na gleki
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20 Jan 2010 05:15:13 < timonator> mi tugni
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20 Jan 2010 05:17:39 < lindar> jbovlaste is broken
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20 Jan 2010 05:20:38 < timonator> cilre tu'a la turing
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20 Jan 2010 05:24:45 < lindar> cilre fi ma doi .timos.
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20 Jan 2010 05:27:24 < timonator> la turing mycin
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20 Jan 2010 05:46:31 < lindar> Okay, is anybody actually here? >_<
20 Jan 2010 05:47:24 < lindar> tavlamgau - $t_1=l_1=g_1$ contacts/"gets ahold of" $l_2=t_2=g_2$   I really need an agentive "contact" and this is the best I could come up with (adjacent-speak-do). Opinions?
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20 Jan 2010 05:49:05  * lindar sigh.
20 Jan 2010 05:50:38 < timonator> your mom is
20 Jan 2010 05:50:42 < timonator> i mean, she is here
20 Jan 2010 05:51:08 < lindar> Nice.
20 Jan 2010 05:51:15 < lindar> What do you think of tavlamgau?
20 Jan 2010 05:51:30 < lindar> ...and then tavla'i would be to be in contact with somebody....
20 Jan 2010 05:51:44 < timonator> what does it mean?
20 Jan 2010 05:51:47 < timonator> oh?
20 Jan 2010 05:51:49 < timonator> hmmm
20 Jan 2010 05:52:02 < timonator> what would tavlamgau mean? meet to chat?
20 Jan 2010 05:52:11 < timonator> force someone to come to you to chat? :)
20 Jan 2010 05:52:30 < lindar>  tavlamgau - $t_1=l_1=g_1$ contacts/"gets ahold of" $l_2=t_2=g_2$
20 Jan 2010 05:52:57 < lindar> talk-adjacent-do
20 Jan 2010 05:53:03 < timonator> oh?
20 Jan 2010 05:53:04 < timonator> interesting
20 Jan 2010 05:53:14 < lindar> How would you phrase it? I'm still kinda bad at lujvo.
20 Jan 2010 05:53:17 < timonator> sounds somewhat noraluvj
20 Jan 2010 05:53:22 < timonator> :(
20 Jan 2010 05:58:10 < lindar> Well, please suggest something better.
20 Jan 2010 05:59:40 < lindar> btw: lo me la .uandas. me'u finpe pe la .gnom.   <----how do you read that?
20 Jan 2010 06:00:18 < lindar> ...would it be better to use voi? I'm not exactly sure how to use that. *consulting refgram now*
20 Jan 2010 06:01:18 < timonator> wanda the gnome fish
20 Jan 2010 06:01:30 < timonator> me'u needed for what?
20 Jan 2010 06:03:13 < lindar> Ah, I suppose me'u is elidable because of denpa bu.
20 Jan 2010 06:03:25 < timonator> probably. also because the name ends
20 Jan 2010 06:03:38 < timonator> because of, you know, the next word being a non-cmevla
20 Jan 2010 06:04:05 < lindar> Which is better? {lo me la .uandas. finpe pe la .gnom.} or {la .uandas. poi finpe pe la .gnom.} ?
20 Jan 2010 06:04:27 < timonator> i like the latter, maybe with noi, though
20 Jan 2010 06:04:28 < lindar> A Wanda-ish fish of Gnome, or Wanda, which is a fish of Gnome.
20 Jan 2010 06:04:39 < lindar> What's the difference between poi/noi/voi? >_< I still don't get that.
20 Jan 2010 06:04:53 < timonator> with poi you "select" a subset of all thingies
20 Jan 2010 06:05:07 < timonator> with noi you describe a property all of the thingies have
20 Jan 2010 06:05:08 < timonator> i thik
20 Jan 2010 06:05:53 < timonator> but "thingies" != "thingies"
20 Jan 2010 06:06:08 < timonator> ok florolf just confused me even more
20 Jan 2010 06:06:25 < timonator> oh, he actually agrees with what i said
20 Jan 2010 06:06:52 < timonator> he (nor me) never understood voi, but it's something to do with the difference between lo and le
20 Jan 2010 06:07:27 < lindar> http://dag.github.com/cll/8/5/
20 Jan 2010 06:07:52 < lindar> It's exactly like {le} if {poi} is exactly like {lo}.
20 Jan 2010 06:08:21 < timonator> oke
20 Jan 2010 06:08:31 < lindar> ...and noi is incidental.
20 Jan 2010 06:08:36 < timonator> yeah
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20 Jan 2010 06:12:30 < lindar> Huh... how would you phrase "squeeky" in Lojban?
20 Jan 2010 06:13:06 < cmacis> coi rodo
20 Jan 2010 06:13:44 < timonator> ui coi cmacis
20 Jan 2010 06:13:55 < timonator> ue viska le ninmu
20 Jan 2010 06:14:08 < timonator> ki'u ma klama ue
20 Jan 2010 06:14:12 < timonator> la turing fadni
20 Jan 2010 06:15:23 < lindar> .I KO TAVLA LE MELBI .A MI CATRA DO
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20 Jan 2010 06:16:36 < cmacis> .u'i
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20 Jan 2010 06:18:12 < timonator> na gendra
20 Jan 2010 06:18:23 < timonator> le ninmu cu darno
20 Jan 2010 06:18:38 < cmacis> go'i
20 Jan 2010 06:18:48 < cmacis> However, I see her on Tuesday, a'o
20 Jan 2010 06:19:16 < timonator> mi tavla fi lo melbi be mi mninmu
20 Jan 2010 06:19:27 < timonator> i ku'i mi se cinri lo melbie be do ninmu
20 Jan 2010 06:19:33 < timonator> ko na'e glico e'o
20 Jan 2010 06:19:39 < timonator> mi zutse vi loi glico certu
20 Jan 2010 06:19:57 < cmacis> zvati ma
20 Jan 2010 06:20:15 < timonator> lo ctuca brakumfa
20 Jan 2010 06:21:07 < cmacis> ri me la'o gy lecture theatre gy xu
20 Jan 2010 06:21:14 < timonator> go'i
20 Jan 2010 06:21:16 < timonator> ui sai do jimpe
20 Jan 2010 06:21:56 < cmacis> mi kanro binxo
20 Jan 2010 06:22:01 < timonator> ui sai dai
20 Jan 2010 06:22:16 < timonator> mi milxe bilma binxo ia ru'e ui nai
20 Jan 2010 06:22:37 < cmacis> bilma ma
20 Jan 2010 06:22:54 < timonator> galxe bilma
20 Jan 2010 06:23:08 < cmacis> .uu
20 Jan 2010 06:23:15 < lindar> >_>
20 Jan 2010 06:23:22  * lindar throws a stick.
20 Jan 2010 06:23:33  * timonator renro la lindar
20 Jan 2010 06:23:40 < lindar> TALK TO HER AND GET IT OVER WITH!
20 Jan 2010 06:23:51 < timonator> stop yelling english
20 Jan 2010 06:23:52 < cmacis> mi cpacu lo grana
20 Jan 2010 06:23:54 < timonator> fucker.
20 Jan 2010 06:24:30 < lindar> Possible outcomes: 1. She hates you and you move on with your life. Try again and learn from your mistakes. 2. She digs you, you get Timo Jr. petted.
20 Jan 2010 06:25:17 < cmacis> Eventually
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20 Jan 2010 06:25:53 < lindar> It's one of those things where you're disinclined to try because of a lack of proficiency, so you don't practice, so you don't get good, so nothing is done about your lack of proficiency. It's one of those jump-in-and-do kind of things. You have to mess it up to learn how to not mess it up, and there's a good chance that you won't mess it up your first time.
20 Jan 2010 06:26:19 < timonator> have to suspend
20 Jan 2010 06:26:19 < timonator> bye
20 Jan 2010 06:26:27 < lindar> Oh geez...
20 Jan 2010 06:26:27 < lindar> >_>
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20 Jan 2010 06:43:44 < lindar> lo nau co'e <---- can I do that?
20 Jan 2010 06:44:00 < lindar> How would I express "the current X" or "the present (time tense) X"?
20 Jan 2010 06:44:21 < cmacis> ca?
20 Jan 2010 06:46:09 < xalbo> {lo ca co'e} is something that is {co'e}ing now.  That seems to be what you want.
20 Jan 2010 06:46:21 < lindar> Does {le vi favytcini be la .gnome.} make sense?
20 Jan 2010 06:46:31 < xalbo> ({nau} could work too; I've just not used it that much)
20 Jan 2010 06:47:34 < lindar> se djuno fi le vi favytcini be la .gnom. = Information on this version of Gnome.
20 Jan 2010 06:50:11 < xalbo> Sounds weird to me.  Maybe {ve farvi}, but I'm not sure how to get the current one for that.  But location tensing doesn't seem right.
20 Jan 2010 06:50:56 < xalbo> And I *still* dislike using a bridi here instead of a sumti.
20 Jan 2010 06:52:00 < xalbo> But I've been lazy about reading the mail, so maybe that ship has sailed.
20 Jan 2010 06:52:26  * xalbo reads backscroll.
20 Jan 2010 06:52:28 < lindar> That ship hasn't sailed just yet, but you're completely lacking context and I'm not.
20 Jan 2010 06:52:48 < lindar> I'm actually translating something right now, and you have no way of seeing what it is I'm translating or what the context is.
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20 Jan 2010 06:55:48 < lindar> I personally like what I'm doing! =D
20 Jan 2010 06:57:17 < lindar> Once I've finished this little .po file for gnome-desktop and get my feet thoroughly wet, I'll outline the style I'm going for. Of course I'll post all of the material once I have a cohesive method and we can bitch about it all day like we have about "window", but I'd like the first say in the matter.
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20 Jan 2010 06:58:32 < lindar> tavlamgau - $t_1=l_1=g_1$ contacts/"gets ahold of" $l_2=t_2=g_2$   I really need an agentive "contact" and this is the best I could come up with. I guess tavla'i would be "x1 is in contact with x2". Maybe I'm completely missing a word that already means this?
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20 Jan 2010 07:00:13 < xalbo> {casnu}?
20 Jan 2010 07:04:23 < cmacis> We could do with kiris on this project. He got translation done
20 Jan 2010 07:05:28 < xalbo> I find the {lamji} there to be malglico for "contact".  Seems that it's just a conversation (albeit through a non-default medium).
20 Jan 2010 07:06:03 < codrus> 'contact' in lamji seems .. yeah that
20 Jan 2010 07:15:18 < codrus> i see jbovlasti is working as well as ever
20 Jan 2010 07:21:58  * codrus na'e co'e cusku da poi ve vimcu de noi vo'a jinvi fi ra
20 Jan 2010 07:30:51 < Hussell> Hmm. "vo'a" -> "la codrus", "ra" -> "la codrus", I think.
20 Jan 2010 07:33:41 < Hussell> For the "noi" clause, what's the first open slot of the bridi? x2 or x4?
20 Jan 2010 07:34:20 < CodeBlock> coi rodo
20 Jan 2010 07:35:13 < cmacis> coi
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20 Jan 2010 07:38:07 < codrus> Hussell: why would ra skip de?
20 Jan 2010 07:40:10 < codrus> Hussell: i think it's supposed to be x4, but everyone including the parsers x2. i think x2 is better. is this correct xalbo?
20 Jan 2010 07:40:15 < timonator> because de is so short, that it'd be easier to restate
20 Jan 2010 07:40:37 < timonator> in the cll it says ri and ra all skip all KOhA
20 Jan 2010 07:41:00 < codrus> you mean like {cy na'e co'e cusku da poi ve vimcu de noi vo'a jinvi fi da} yeah you're right
20 Jan 2010 07:41:15 < feliks> .io coi
20 Jan 2010 07:41:31 < codrus> fi'i feliks
20 Jan 2010 07:42:03 < lindar> Can somebody please figure out a good translation for agentive 'contact'? <3
20 Jan 2010 07:42:03 < codrus> doi timos .i ua ki'e
20 Jan 2010 07:42:15 < feliks> just got started learning. this is the place for noob questions, right?
20 Jan 2010 07:42:28 < codrus> lindar: i was working on it for a bit. can you use it in an example?
20 Jan 2010 07:43:03 < codrus> feliks: yes, only noob questions
20 Jan 2010 07:43:25 < feliks> zo'o
20 Jan 2010 07:43:28 < timonator> ey who ask non-noob questions get kicked in the arse
20 Jan 2010 07:43:55 < Hussell> "contact" like "pencu"?
20 Jan 2010 07:44:04 < feliks> how do i put a named thing, like in a book title, e.g. Ben the Bear, or The Ship Endeavour? {cribe .ben.}, or the other way around, or/and with any of la/le/lo?
20 Jan 2010 07:44:06 < lindar> "How do I contact you?" "Get in contact with him." "CONTACT (like the link on a website)"
20 Jan 2010 07:44:07 < timonator> no, contact like "contact me when you've got news"
20 Jan 2010 07:44:10 < lindar> Agentive "contact"
20 Jan 2010 07:44:44 < timonator> feliks: "ben the bear" would/could be something to the effect of "la ben noi cribe" - "ben, who is a bear"
20 Jan 2010 07:45:01 < timonator> or you could go extra-crazy and call him "criben" ;)
20 Jan 2010 07:45:02 < codrus> lindar: what about using zukte and casnu?
20 Jan 2010 07:45:36 < lindar> Huh, sounds promising.
20 Jan 2010 07:45:37 < Hussell> "ta'acfa"?
20 Jan 2010 07:45:51 < lindar> Make me a lujvo and tail out the definition for it. =P
20 Jan 2010 07:47:19 < Hussell> "jikca" is another good one.
20 Jan 2010 07:47:37 < timonator> i can make pretty good unsocial contact
20 Jan 2010 07:51:51 < feliks> ki'he - sounds fine with the bear, but "la bloti noi .endevor." looks stilted, not? not yet immersed in lojbanic thinking, or course
20 Jan 2010 07:52:11 < timonator> yes, try "la endevor noi bloti" ;)
20 Jan 2010 07:52:30 < feliks> oops, that's what i wanted to write
20 Jan 2010 07:52:31 < timonator> at the moment your problem is not lojbanic thinking, it's just lojbanic grammar structures you don't know well yet
20 Jan 2010 07:52:47 < feliks> certainly
20 Jan 2010 07:52:55 < timonator> let's see if we can somehow optimise your learning
20 Jan 2010 07:53:20 < timonator> lindar and kribacr have been teaching newbies at insane paces in ##ckule recently. you should ask one of them wether they have some time for you
20 Jan 2010 07:53:36 < feliks> i've skimmed the refgram and the beginner's course, now taking a closer look. i was just at the chapter with la/le/lo
20 Jan 2010 07:53:58 < lindar> =D
20 Jan 2010 07:54:01 < feliks> really? that's cool
20 Jan 2010 07:54:22 < lindar> Yes, we tend to knock out at least half of the (important parts of the) CLL in an hour or so.
20 Jan 2010 07:55:11 < lindar> I really don't like the CLL/refgram now that I've looked through it, simply because it teaches things in a very poor order and encourages (over)use of {cu} in places where it isn't necessarily needed.
20 Jan 2010 07:55:34 < lindar> Pro-sumti come in some later chapters whereas lo/ku is taught at the very beginning.
20 Jan 2010 07:55:36 < feliks> don't want to impose too much. usually i'm autodidact, then fill in the gaps or what i got wrong. that's how i learned esperanto
20 Jan 2010 07:59:47 < feliks> je'e co'o - got to run
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20 Jan 2010 08:03:25 < codrus> doi lindar snuselzu'e: c1 entity employs discussing/discussion with z1 actions z2 about topic/subject c2 for purpose/goal z3 to end z4
20 Jan 2010 08:04:10 < codrus> lindar: although you could flip z2 and c2 if you want. either way
20 Jan 2010 08:05:17 < Hussell> "mi benji fi do"
20 Jan 2010 08:05:55 < lindar> ...uhhh... b_3 is transmitter origin.
20 Jan 2010 08:06:34 < lindar> codrus: That sounds just dandy if that can use that as an agentive "contact". See if one of the oldbies agrees with you.
20 Jan 2010 08:06:36 < Hussell> b3 is receiver. b4 is origin.
20 Jan 2010 08:06:51 < codrus> de'a jundi
20 Jan 2010 08:08:46 < Hussell> Just double-checked the gi'uste, since jbovlaste is down right now. b3 is the receiver.
20 Jan 2010 08:09:18 < lindar> Oh, I totally misread that.
20 Jan 2010 08:09:47 < Hussell> Anyway, "be'icfa", to initiate a transmission, looks good.
20 Jan 2010 08:10:01 < lindar> http://groups.google.com/group/jbofanva/ <--- for the latest news in me arguing with xorxes over stupid shit that doesn't matter.
20 Jan 2010 08:10:40 < Hussell> Or just "co'a benji". Or "co'arbe'i" if you're crazy.
20 Jan 2010 08:11:35 < lindar> lujvo {binpre} from tanru {jbini prenu} glossing to "intercessor", "middleman", "mediator", "go-between", "contact" in the sense of "middleman"   j1=p1 is a middleman/mediator/contact/go-between/intercessor between parties j2. Woah, just found this nugget from makfa. REEKS of malgli.
20 Jan 2010 08:11:56 < lindar> Literally "middle-person".
20 Jan 2010 08:13:45 < lindar> lamji - x1 is adjacent/beside/next to/in contact with x2 in property/sequence x3 in direction x4. It says "property" there for x3, which makes me think that they can be adjacent in communication. That was my logic in using that word in a lujvo for "contact".
20 Jan 2010 08:16:37 < Hussell> It's a bit of a stretch, though, isn't it? Wouldn't tense on "benji" or "cusku" or any of the other communication gismu be more understandable?
20 Jan 2010 08:17:28 < codrus> xalbo: does this work? {mi do lamji fi lo ka ce'u casnu}
20 Jan 2010 08:17:43 < codrus> mi bazi se'ixru
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20 Jan 2010 08:19:58 < Hussell> Simpler: "mi lamji do lo ka casnu"
20 Jan 2010 08:20:49 < Hussell> Better: "mi ca'o tavla do"
20 Jan 2010 08:21:31 < Hussell> mi'o ca'o casnu
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20 Jan 2010 08:24:14 < Hussell> "binpre" could have been worse: "mijypre".
20 Jan 2010 08:25:53 < Hussell> "jbini" has the same sort of "in property x3 (ka)" slot, which could theoretically be "lo ka casnu". But that should probably be part of the lujvo, since there are many other ways for persons to be between things.
20 Jan 2010 08:35:43 < lindar> bah
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20 Jan 2010 08:39:35 < Hussell> Alright, back to codrus' "mi lamji do lo ka casnu".
20 Jan 2010 08:40:17 < Hussell> mi'o ca'o casnu
20 Jan 2010 08:41:01 < lindar> Your face.
20 Jan 2010 08:42:12 < lindar> .i mi xu .e do ca'o xu casnu ma
20 Jan 2010 08:43:55 < codrus> doi husel .i a'u
20 Jan 2010 08:44:10 < Hussell> Actually, I just thought "mi'o ca'o casnu" was a better way of saying "mi lamji do lo ka casnu". "We're in discussion" as a way of saying "We're in contact."
20 Jan 2010 08:44:34 < Hussell> mi'e xysl
20 Jan 2010 08:46:16 < codrus> ko zukte zoi gy /nick xysl gy
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20 Jan 2010 08:51:28 < codrus> everytime i see the lojban symbol i think of that zo'o re-make and i can't help laughing
20 Jan 2010 08:51:47 < lindar> Which zo'o remake?
20 Jan 2010 08:51:52 < codrus> i think the lojban symbol has been ruined forever
20 Jan 2010 08:52:08 < codrus> timonator, have you a pic of it?
20 Jan 2010 08:53:18 < codrus> mi co'a sisku
20 Jan 2010 08:53:47 < timonator> huh?
20 Jan 2010 08:54:16 < lindar> Timo!
20 Jan 2010 08:54:26 < lindar> I dunno what he's on about.
20 Jan 2010 08:55:11 < timonator> lindar!
20 Jan 2010 08:59:07 < xalbo> .ua nai sai
20 Jan 2010 08:59:27 < xalbo> What "lojban symbol" and what "zo'o re-make"?
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20 Jan 2010 09:02:40 < codrus> mi ca'o sisku
20 Jan 2010 09:02:58 <@Broca> Someone put a z in front of the circles, and an apostrophe between them?
20 Jan 2010 09:03:57 < lindar> >_>
20 Jan 2010 09:04:07 < lindar> codrus, is that really what it was?
20 Jan 2010 09:04:23 < codrus> Broca: no, it was the one where the circles were changed a bit and the arrow moved to a different spot
20 Jan 2010 09:04:51 < lindar> It was made out to look like male genitalia?
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20 Jan 2010 09:05:35 < codrus> i'm not going to spoil it
20 Jan 2010 09:05:45 < codrus> is the legend of zelda finished?
20 Jan 2010 09:05:47 <@Broca> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban+Logo -- the Jeff Tupper version?
20 Jan 2010 09:09:25 < lindar> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/img/wiki_up/lojban_flag.jpg I actually identify with this more so as a symbol of jbo culture. The double-circle-arrows makes me think more of the LLG than of Lojban culture.
20 Jan 2010 09:12:19 <@Broca> Strange. The circle-arrows thing makes me think of Lojban, while the guy with the boxes makes me think of “that stupid thing that Matt made”.
20 Jan 2010 09:12:33 < lindar> I see the <-O|O-> and think ".ua jbobau", but then I see the bridi prenu and think ".uicai mi lojbo !!!" and then I go punch somebody in the face and annex their house in the name of Lojbanistan.
20 Jan 2010 09:15:46 < lindar> Maybe it's like the Union Flag for The United Kingdom of Lojbanistan, Loglandias, and the Loglan Islands, and <-O|O-> is the Lojbanistanian national flag.
20 Jan 2010 09:16:53 < codrus> i give up. i cannot find it u'u
20 Jan 2010 09:18:01 < lindar> xD! Wow, I just realised that the Union Flag is St. George's Cross with a bunch of fancy shit in each corner.
20 Jan 2010 09:18:37 <@Broca> Not exactly.
20 Jan 2010 09:18:42 < lindar> It's one of those really stupid discoveries that you never realised, but once you did you want to share it with everybody because they'll feel just as stupid for not knowing it.
20 Jan 2010 09:19:10 < lindar> Not exactly?
20 Jan 2010 09:19:28 <@Broca> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Union_Flag_Component_Flags2.PNG
20 Jan 2010 09:20:32 < lindar> Okay, layered, whatever.
20 Jan 2010 09:21:16 < lindar> It's like "plunger". One day my husband stopped in the middle of what he was doing to explain that it's called a plunger because you plunge it into the toilet.
20 Jan 2010 09:21:37 < lindar> I just thought it was one of those really cool sudden epiphanies of stupidity.
20 Jan 2010 09:25:47 < timonator> heh heh
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20 Jan 2010 09:27:44 < lindar> See? Timo knows what I'm on about.
20 Jan 2010 09:27:52 < lindar> Are there any of those in German?
20 Jan 2010 09:28:01 < timonator> i believe so
20 Jan 2010 09:28:17 < timonator> recently i had a really weird thing similar to that
20 Jan 2010 09:28:30 < lindar> Do tell.
20 Jan 2010 09:28:31 < neptunepink> coi
20 Jan 2010 09:28:33 < timonator> the physics students had to do an exam, which they called "scheinklausur"
20 Jan 2010 09:28:34 < neptunepink> ro do
20 Jan 2010 09:28:45 < neptunepink> I'm afeared for the student already.
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20 Jan 2010 09:29:01 < timonator> now what i didn't know, that it was called that, because they needed it for the "übungsschein" (says the're allowed to do the real exam)
20 Jan 2010 09:29:31 < timonator> but since "schein" also means something similar to "appearance", but more like "it only seems like that"
20 Jan 2010 09:29:45 < timonator> i thought it was kind of a "here you can get a feel for what it's like to have an exam at our fine university"
20 Jan 2010 09:29:58 < lindar> =P
20 Jan 2010 09:30:04 < timonator> and i was like "why the fuss? it's only a seems-to-be-real-exam"
20 Jan 2010 09:30:17 < timonator> yeah i felt pretty stupid
20 Jan 2010 09:30:24 < lindar> What does it actually mean?
20 Jan 2010 09:31:02 < timonator> well, combined with the points from the "übungsblätter" (exercise sheets or something) you have to get a certain number of points in this exam to get the "übungsschein"
20 Jan 2010 09:31:15 < timonator> getting the übungsschein qualifies you for taking part in the exam
20 Jan 2010 09:31:31 < lindar> Ah, so it's an exam to take the exam?
20 Jan 2010 09:31:46 < timonator> yeah, something like that
20 Jan 2010 09:31:56 < timonator> i suppose the "real" exam is at the end of the next semester
20 Jan 2010 09:32:40 < timonator> hmm
20 Jan 2010 09:33:20 < lindar> Ahhh...
20 Jan 2010 09:33:24 < lindar> Awesome.
20 Jan 2010 09:33:24 < lindar> =P
20 Jan 2010 09:34:02 < lindar> I should just stop speaking/thinking in English as soon as I get home.
20 Jan 2010 09:34:07 < lindar> Ugh.
20 Jan 2010 09:34:15 < timonator> ugh?
20 Jan 2010 09:35:02 < lindar> Yeah, my Lojban isn't going to improve until I start doing flash cards and only speak in Lojban.
20 Jan 2010 09:35:26 < lindar> I understand a lot of the grammar, but there are still a few points that confuse me, and I don't think or speak very quickly in Lojban.
20 Jan 2010 09:36:42 < lindar> I really need to start remembering time and direction tenses and a lot more gismu.
20 Jan 2010 09:37:40 < timonator> yeah, gismu
20 Jan 2010 09:37:43 < timonator> and yeah time tenses
20 Jan 2010 09:37:50 < timonator> and yeah, spatial tense, too
20 Jan 2010 09:38:06 < lindar> I'll get good, though!
20 Jan 2010 09:38:24 < lindar> We just lack a lot of vocabulary (which I am trying to remedy!!).
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20 Jan 2010 09:38:37 < lindar> Hey, it's rossi.
20 Jan 2010 09:39:15 < rossi> coi lindar
20 Jan 2010 09:39:42 < timonator> oh rossi
20 Jan 2010 09:39:43 < lindar> Oh, I had a question. When using a fu'ivla that begins with a vowel, does denpa bu precede it?
20 Jan 2010 09:39:44 < timonator> what's up? :)
20 Jan 2010 09:39:49 < timonator> of course
20 Jan 2010 09:39:51 < lindar> example {.ertso}.
20 Jan 2010 09:39:59 < timonator> denpa bu precedes every word that starts with a vowel
20 Jan 2010 09:40:04 < lindar> Sweet.
20 Jan 2010 09:40:05 < timonator> no matter what word type
20 Jan 2010 09:40:13 < neptunepink> denpa bu u'i
20 Jan 2010 09:40:20 < rossi> i just took a walk
20 Jan 2010 09:40:23 < rossi> just to procrastinate :D
20 Jan 2010 09:40:29 < timonator> oh
20 Jan 2010 09:40:36 < timonator> at least you move around to procrastinate
20 Jan 2010 09:40:43 < timonator> i just sit on the couch and become fat
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20 Jan 2010 09:41:23 < rossi> and bought deathnote black edition V
20 Jan 2010 09:41:33 < rossi> but you are not fat
20 Jan 2010 09:42:09 < lindar> Aww, you tell him, girlfriend. *posh*
20 Jan 2010 09:42:14 < rossi> and i contemplate about going to cinema today
20 Jan 2010 09:42:42  * lindar high-fives rossi for knowing the difference between a cinema and theatre.
20 Jan 2010 09:42:56 < timonator> well, i am not fat, but i will certainly become fat unless i do something to balance my not optimal eating habits
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20 Jan 2010 09:43:26 < lindar> Wii Fit told my husband that he's obese.
20 Jan 2010 09:43:39 < rossi> not nice!
20 Jan 2010 09:43:42 < rossi> evil wii fit!
20 Jan 2010 09:43:45 < timonator> haha
20 Jan 2010 09:44:08 < lindar> He weighs about 88-90kg, most of which is really effing bulky muscle.
20 Jan 2010 09:44:17 < lindar> However, he -is- fat.
20 Jan 2010 09:44:22 < rossi> and btw i don't think most germans say "theatre" when they mean cinemas
20 Jan 2010 09:44:23 < lindar> So he looks fat.
20 Jan 2010 09:44:55 < lindar> rossi: Americans call it a "theater" and they see "movies" at it. I live in America (unfortunately).
20 Jan 2010 09:45:04 < neptunepink> HA HA
20 Jan 2010 09:45:15 < neptunepink> I saw the movie, "Avatar" in the theater!
20 Jan 2010 09:45:24 < neptunepink> The movie theater!
20 Jan 2010 09:45:25 < rossi> but you have a housband
20 Jan 2010 09:45:30 < timonator> haha, a houseband?
20 Jan 2010 09:45:34 < lindar> Yeah, and you're an ignorant fucking git, ny.
20 Jan 2010 09:45:38 < rossi> i am to shy to send some girl a message :/
20 Jan 2010 09:45:49 < neptunepink> that she's a fat-ass?
20 Jan 2010 09:46:01 < timonator> haha
20 Jan 2010 09:46:09 < rossi> and well, the world definately needs more o!
20 Jan 2010 09:46:19  * neptunepink has lindar's house band play some jazz, because he signed up for, "History of Jazz" wtf was I thinking
20 Jan 2010 09:47:14 < timonator> rossi: today i saw girl-i-am-somewhat-attracted-to in GBI and lindar immediately told me to move over and talk to her and HAVE SEX THEN AND THERE!
20 Jan 2010 09:47:18 < lindar> Ugh... Music Appreciation/History is for pompous faggot pieces of shit that suck at playing music so they feel they have to be overly critical and form opinions about what other people can do that they can't.
20 Jan 2010 09:47:41 < rossi> well
20 Jan 2010 09:47:51 < rossi> that would be impressive
20 Jan 2010 09:48:15 < xalbo> I think that would definitely be an improvement in the quality of your life, don't you?
20 Jan 2010 09:48:28 < rossi> why did you not do it?
20 Jan 2010 09:48:32 < timonator> haha
20 Jan 2010 09:49:00 < neptunepink> timonator: It seems that lindar has the right idea
20 Jan 2010 09:49:30 < lindar> If you don't talk to girls, then you have to way of getting rejected by girls.
20 Jan 2010 09:49:31 < timonator> lindar is also fucking awesome, he has what it takes to approach anybody and do anything they want with them
20 Jan 2010 09:49:38 < lindar> If you don't get rejected by girls, then you won't get accepted by girls.
20 Jan 2010 09:49:50 < timonator> then i should definitly not talk to her first
20 Jan 2010 09:49:55 < timonator> because then i will get rejected
20 Jan 2010 09:50:04 < lindar> You won't get rejected until you talk to her.
20 Jan 2010 09:50:20 < neptunepink> I'm sure she could find other reasons for rejecting you if you don't talk to her.
20 Jan 2010 09:50:21 < lindar> Seriously, don't make me assign you homework.
20 Jan 2010 09:50:22 < timonator> yes, but i will get rejected when i talk to her
20 Jan 2010 09:50:44 < rossi> pick up homework?
20 Jan 2010 09:50:57 < lindar> The point is not to be rejected, the point is that you're going to be rejected, so you figure out WHY you got rejected and improve your strategy.
20 Jan 2010 09:50:59 < rossi> no, you won't
20 Jan 2010 09:51:01 < timonator> we should form a study group
20 Jan 2010 09:51:21 < neptunepink> And then have sex with eachother out of desperation.
20 Jan 2010 09:51:25 < rossi> and hold a tutorial in carambo?
20 Jan 2010 09:51:29 < timonator> carambo?
20 Jan 2010 09:51:32 < timonator> i only know rambo
20 Jan 2010 09:51:34 < rossi> carambolage
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20 Jan 2010 09:51:40 < neptunepink> carambridge?
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20 Jan 2010 09:51:53 < rossi> bad music
20 Jan 2010 09:51:57 < rossi> decent amount of women
20 Jan 2010 09:52:04 < rossi> most of them have the best amount of eyes
20 Jan 2010 09:52:06 < rossi> (2)
20 Jan 2010 09:52:21 < lindar> xD
20 Jan 2010 09:52:35 < timonator> yeah, that's definitly the best amount of eyes
20 Jan 2010 09:52:45 < timonator> i have never heard of carambolage
20 Jan 2010 09:53:12 < rossi> it's next to the main entry of the KIT
20 Jan 2010 09:53:29 < timonator> which one is the main entry?
20 Jan 2010 09:53:34 < timonator> and what music do they play?
20 Jan 2010 09:53:40 < timonator> there are lots of bad types of music
20 Jan 2010 09:53:59 < rossi> well is it really the main entry?
20 Jan 2010 09:54:09 < rossi> it won't make your ear bleed
20 Jan 2010 09:54:13 < rossi> some rock
20 Jan 2010 09:54:16 < rossi> some stuff
20 Jan 2010 09:54:22 < timonator> rock isn't totally bad
20 Jan 2010 09:54:24 < rossi> better than UV imho
20 Jan 2010 09:54:38 < rossi> but culteum should be good
20 Jan 2010 09:54:45 < timonator> UV?
20 Jan 2010 09:54:48 < rossi> but the last time i was there it was called kulturruine
20 Jan 2010 09:54:51 < mefistofeles> rock is nice
20 Jan 2010 09:54:51 < timonator> i have heard of the culteum
20 Jan 2010 09:54:51 < rossi> unverschämt
20 Jan 2010 09:55:00 < timonator> oh, i heard of that, too
20 Jan 2010 09:55:41 < timonator> lindar: apart from that there is another girl (that i have even talked to in the past (also today)) who has caught my eye
20 Jan 2010 09:55:48 < rossi> oh!
20 Jan 2010 09:56:07 < rossi> and when do you have a date with her?
20 Jan 2010 09:56:37 < timonator> haha
20 Jan 2010 09:56:40 < timonator> not at all
20 Jan 2010 09:57:14 < neptunepink> oh, you're just going straight to.... ahh, clever man!
20 Jan 2010 09:57:30 < lindar> xD
20 Jan 2010 09:57:38 < lindar> Timo, I'm assigning you homework.
20 Jan 2010 09:57:42 < rossi> i still need some strategy
20 Jan 2010 09:57:46 < rossi> for the girl i have my eye on
20 Jan 2010 09:58:09 < neptunepink> First day of school. I have too much hair. Should I go for the coffee-with-cream, the navy blue, the ruby red, or the pastel-white hair band?
20 Jan 2010 09:58:26 < timonator> take pictures
20 Jan 2010 09:58:29 < lindar> By the end of next week I want you to get at least two phone numbers and follow up on one. I don't care how you get it, just get a girl's number.
20 Jan 2010 09:58:51 < neptunepink> /msg timonator Phonebook
20 Jan 2010 09:58:54 < rossi> timo, me or both?
20 Jan 2010 09:59:00 < lindar> neptunepink, I don't know what colour hair you have and what your outfit looks like, so I couldn't say.
20 Jan 2010 09:59:18 < lindar> rossi: If you're just as much a puss as Timo, then yes, you as well.
20 Jan 2010 09:59:18 < timonator> but i don't want to go into a club and just randomly pick up girls
20 Jan 2010 09:59:33 < neptunepink> Brown hair. Brown w/stripes shirt. bluejeans. Black shoes.
20 Jan 2010 09:59:39 < rossi> then do it pseudorandomly!
20 Jan 2010 09:59:58 < timonator> well, of course i meant pseudorandomly
20 Jan 2010 10:00:16 < timonator> i wasn't going to take with me a radioactive isotope or something as en entropy source
20 Jan 2010 10:00:29 < neptunepink> youshould
20 Jan 2010 10:00:45 < timonator> definitly
20 Jan 2010 10:01:12 < neptunepink> smoke detectors, they have americanananaiubuium
20 Jan 2010 10:01:22 < lindar> What shade of brown w/ stripes shirt? >_>
20 Jan 2010 10:01:55 < neptunepink> dark and light. <_<
20 Jan 2010 10:02:50 < lindar> Yeah, you're a jackass. White or blue, depending on what matches.
20 Jan 2010 10:02:50 < neptunepink> I already picked the tan one. So there.
20 Jan 2010 10:03:12 < neptunepink> I know fuck about "matches"
20 Jan 2010 10:03:41 < lindar> >_>
20 Jan 2010 10:03:55 < neptunepink> oh, but also, black jacket.
20 Jan 2010 10:03:55 < lindar> Step 1: Wear a clean white shirt and clean blue jeans.
20 Jan 2010 10:04:02 < neptunepink> eww
20 Jan 2010 10:04:03 < lindar> Step 2: Keep them clean the whole day.
20 Jan 2010 10:04:07 < lindar> Step 3: Get laid.
20 Jan 2010 10:04:24 < lindar> Statistics prove that a clean white shirt in the evening is more likely to get you laid.
20 Jan 2010 10:04:37 < rossi> but i have no wite shirts
20 Jan 2010 10:04:52 < neptunepink> lindar: with gays?
20 Jan 2010 10:05:25 < neptunepink> certainly not in asia. In asia, chicks think, "this guy, he wishes to kill me"
20 Jan 2010 10:05:38 < timonator> lindar: or maybe people who tend to wear white shirts tend to get laid more often?
20 Jan 2010 10:05:53 < cmacis> coi rodo mi xruti .i mi puzi citka .ui .i mi tolxagji
20 Jan 2010 10:05:55 < rossi> all these correlations
20 Jan 2010 10:06:23 < timonator> i have not quite white shirts
20 Jan 2010 10:06:25 < rossi> coi cmacis
20 Jan 2010 10:07:04 < lindar> With gays as well, but with women.
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20 Jan 2010 10:07:24 < neptunepink> ah, fuck you lindar
20 Jan 2010 10:07:26 < timonator> ui lo cipni cu zvati
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20 Jan 2010 10:07:40 < neptunepink> I don't think I've seen a single gay man wear a white shirt.
20 Jan 2010 10:07:49 < timonator> lindar: what does clean mean?
20 Jan 2010 10:07:53 < timonator> no pictury stuff on it?
20 Jan 2010 10:07:58 < timonator> or just no dirt?
20 Jan 2010 10:08:01 < timonator> what about pitstains? ;)
20 Jan 2010 10:08:05 < lindar> Women see a clean white shirt in the evening and think "Oh my goodness, he's managed to keep that white shirt and those blue jeans clean throughout the whole evening. He's responsible, and probably well organised! He'll probably care about what I think! I want to have SEX with him!"
20 Jan 2010 10:08:06 < rossi> what about metal shirts?
20 Jan 2010 10:08:23 < timonator> http://www.threadless.com/product/1695/Medieval_Knievel - i have two shirts in this color
20 Jan 2010 10:09:00 < lindar> >_>
20 Jan 2010 10:09:04 < timonator> (this is one of the two aforementioned shirts)
20 Jan 2010 10:09:17 < timonator> (the other one has led a women to tell me my shirt is awesome before, so...)
20 Jan 2010 10:09:36 < timonator> the next day she was like "where's your awesome shirt" and i was like "yo i shower every day :("
20 Jan 2010 10:09:56 < lindar> Clean means no pit stains, no sweat marks, no salt rings, no food stains.
20 Jan 2010 10:10:04 < rossi> and then you two ...?
20 Jan 2010 10:10:06 < lindar> Clean. =D
20 Jan 2010 10:10:09 < lindar> It works.
20 Jan 2010 10:10:10 < timonator> http://www.threadless.com/submission/110409/Defend_the_Kingdom - this is that shirt
20 Jan 2010 10:10:16 < timonator> salt rings?
20 Jan 2010 10:10:22 < timonator> rossi: no, not at all
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20 Jan 2010 10:10:37 < lindar> Yeah, sweat ~= salt-water
20 Jan 2010 10:10:42 < timonator> ok
20 Jan 2010 10:10:52 < lindar> salt-water - water = ?
20 Jan 2010 10:10:54 < timonator> not only was i very sure i wouldn't have had a shot at her, but a friend was already trying to get in her pants ;)
20 Jan 2010 10:10:57 < timonator> yeah, salt
20 Jan 2010 10:11:10 < timonator> i wasn't aware "salt rings" actually refered to as salt
20 Jan 2010 10:11:44 < rossi> but then you and her hot sister?
20 Jan 2010 10:12:20 < lindar> Either way, talk to girls. Do something awesome, get a girl's phone number, call her two days later, invite her to lunch. Make sure she's not -completely- ignorant/vapid/uninteresting.
20 Jan 2010 10:12:27 < timonator> the hot sister wasn't there. i don't even know wether she has a sister at all
20 Jan 2010 10:12:41 < timonator> what's something awesome?
20 Jan 2010 10:13:42 < rossi> kill a dragon
20 Jan 2010 10:14:02  * cmacis has killed a dragon before in LARP
20 Jan 2010 10:14:04 < lindar> Wearing a cool shirt, speaking Lojban, dancing like awesomes, being ultra-confident and making a girl laugh, etc.
20 Jan 2010 10:14:17 < timonator> so i go up to a girl and say "yo i just sayed a dragon in nethack, will you have sex with me?"
20 Jan 2010 10:14:29 < timonator> you told me to wear a white shirt. most of my cool shirts are not white.
20 Jan 2010 10:14:38 < rossi> i have no white shirts
20 Jan 2010 10:14:41 < rossi> :/
20 Jan 2010 10:14:49 < timonator> and with bright shirts my nipples show ;)
20 Jan 2010 10:15:24 < lindar> Awesome.
20 Jan 2010 10:15:28 < lindar> Wear a -cool- shirt, then.
20 Jan 2010 10:15:28 < timonator> not so much
20 Jan 2010 10:15:36 < timonator> white == bright
20 Jan 2010 10:16:29 < rossi> btw:  so i go up to a girl and say "yo i just sayed a dragon in nethack, will you have sex with me?" <-- such a girl would be pretty strange but maybe pretty awesome :D
20 Jan 2010 10:16:45 < timonator> heh.
20 Jan 2010 10:16:49 < rossi> i only have cool shirts btw!
20 Jan 2010 10:16:53 < timonator> heh.
20 Jan 2010 10:18:15 < rossi> i should try that line BUT
20 Jan 2010 10:18:26 < rossi> i haven't slain a dragon in nethack yet :/
20 Jan 2010 10:18:35 < cmacis> Are there dragons in nethack?
20 Jan 2010 10:18:38 < rossi> yes
20 Jan 2010 10:18:47 < rossi> and there are dragon scale mails
20 Jan 2010 10:18:53 < rossi> every ascension kit needs one!
20 Jan 2010 10:18:58 < lindar> So... just don't be a dick. The worst thing you can say to a girl is nothing at all (or perhaps "Hey, stupid cunt!" . . . yeah... that wouldn't fly very well at all...).
20 Jan 2010 10:19:01  * cmacis hasn't survived long enough
20 Jan 2010 10:19:02 < timonator> there are dragons in POWDER and i have slain many
20 Jan 2010 10:19:21 < rossi> i haven't played powder that much
20 Jan 2010 10:19:21 < timonator> but they and the monsters between the beginning and them are much easier to defeat than those in nethack
20 Jan 2010 10:19:33 < rossi> most of my rogueliketime goes to dungeon crawl stone soup
20 Jan 2010 10:20:10 < timonator> understandable
20 Jan 2010 10:20:25 < rossi> yes, it rocks
20 Jan 2010 10:20:39 < rossi> and you can play draconians
20 Jan 2010 10:20:43 < rossi> almost dragons!
20 Jan 2010 10:21:52 < timonator> heh
20 Jan 2010 10:22:02 < timonator> women don't find that shit interesting
20 Jan 2010 10:22:16 < rossi> yes :/
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20 Jan 2010 10:23:04 < timonator> even though it is awesome
20 Jan 2010 10:23:14 < timonator> well, there are women who do, but they are few and far between
20 Jan 2010 10:23:18 < timonator> i suppose we have to settle for less
20 Jan 2010 10:23:41 < timonator> and i have to say, that, surprisingly, girls have settled for less than the likes of us. very often, too.
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20 Jan 2010 10:26:52 < xalbo> lindar: did you see http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2010/01/20/introduction-to-software-localisation-for-conlangers/
20 Jan 2010 10:26:56 < xalbo> ?
20 Jan 2010 10:33:30 < lindar> I haven't seen that, but it looks vaguely interesting.
20 Jan 2010 10:33:41 < codrus> rossi: oooh i love stone soup!
20 Jan 2010 10:34:37 < cmacis> stone soup?
20 Jan 2010 10:34:52 < rossi> dungeon crawl
20 Jan 2010 10:35:19 < rossi> well, a fork of dungeon crawl after the original maintainer ceased maintaining or so
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20 Jan 2010 10:49:36 < xalbo> Well, I aim to vaguely interest.
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20 Jan 2010 10:52:44 < timonator> hm
20 Jan 2010 10:52:48 < timonator> rossi: what do we do now?
20 Jan 2010 10:53:47 < rossi> i don't know
20 Jan 2010 10:55:06 < timonator> how do i convince myself that i am a good guy?
20 Jan 2010 10:55:43 < rossi> hmm
20 Jan 2010 10:55:55 < rossi> sport might help
20 Jan 2010 10:56:46 < timonator> well, i already do some muscle enhancement stuff
20 Jan 2010 10:56:56 < timonator> i aim to start running when the weather gets nicer
20 Jan 2010 10:57:13 < rossi> while taking a walk i saw some people running
20 Jan 2010 10:57:18 < timonator> on wednesdays i get home relatively early (in other words: before it gets dark)
20 Jan 2010 10:57:22 < rossi> so the weather is no excuse
20 Jan 2010 10:57:28 < timonator> on saturdays i have time en masse
20 Jan 2010 10:57:36 < timonator> and on mondays i can run before lectures begin
20 Jan 2010 10:57:48 < timonator> well, i'm not experienced enough to try something as hard
20 Jan 2010 10:57:57 < timonator> i probably don't even have the right clothes
20 Jan 2010 10:58:07 < timonator> or rather: i don't know what to wear so that i don't freeze to death
20 Jan 2010 10:58:33 < timonator> maybe i will get up extra early tomorrow morning and run for ten minutes or so before i even have breakfast ;)
20 Jan 2010 10:59:44 < rossi> ok
20 Jan 2010 11:00:25 < timonator> no, it'd be way too early
20 Jan 2010 11:10:17 < rossi> 20:09 <@zwaq> ich war in allen lebenslagen übercool und gut
20 Jan 2010 11:10:21 < rossi> this!
20 Jan 2010 11:10:29 < rossi> you should say it every day
20 Jan 2010 11:10:30 < rossi> ten times
20 Jan 2010 11:12:00 < cmacis> What's that mean?
20 Jan 2010 11:12:37 < timonator> "i have always been übercool and good"
20 Jan 2010 11:13:06 < cmacis> .u'i
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20 Jan 2010 11:23:27 < Hugglesworth> coi rodo
20 Jan 2010 11:24:01 < cmacis> lo mi varkiclaflo'i cu mulno loi angila
20 Jan 2010 11:24:46 < xalbo> .ii ro'o ka'amrulo stedu be mi
20 Jan 2010 11:24:55 < xalbo> .ii ro'o ka'amru lo stedu be mi
20 Jan 2010 11:25:06 < timonator> culno, cmacis
20 Jan 2010 11:25:19 < cmacis> lo mi varkiclaflo'i cu culno loi angila
20 Jan 2010 11:25:19 < timonator> or is it?
20 Jan 2010 11:25:20 < cmacis> yeah
20 Jan 2010 11:25:24 < timonator> yeah, u'i
20 Jan 2010 11:25:29 < timonator> mulno and culno are very similar
20 Jan 2010 11:31:13 < Hussell> le sonci pu cusku lu le'o mi ba dasni le do skapi lo mapku li'u le xunre rambalrespa ija'ebo ri terje'e lo fagri seva'unai sy
20 Jan 2010 11:34:07 < xalbo> .ii dai .i ma jinga
20 Jan 2010 11:34:27 < xalbo> .a'u sai
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20 Jan 2010 11:49:52 < Hussell> le sy badgai ze'i santa sy le fagri
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20 Jan 2010 12:06:05 < CodeBlock> coi
20 Jan 2010 12:06:53 < codrus> coi
20 Jan 2010 12:11:25 < xalbo> .i coi la'oi .CodeBlock. .i do mi slabu xu
20 Jan 2010 12:12:59  * timonator just returned from the shower after 10 minutes of jogging
20 Jan 2010 12:13:01 < timonator> yay
20 Jan 2010 12:13:21 < CodeBlock> xalbo: gah what is slabu? :(
20 Jan 2010 12:13:22 < timonator> at -2°C
20 Jan 2010 12:13:36 < timonator> familiar/well-known/known/old
20 Jan 2010 12:13:55 < xalbo> "Do I know you?" (lit: are you known to me?)
20 Jan 2010 12:13:59 < CodeBlock> timonator: so basically "have we spoken before"
20 Jan 2010 12:14:00 < CodeBlock> ok
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20 Jan 2010 12:15:04 < CodeBlock> xalbo: .i na mi cnino // no, I am new
20 Jan 2010 12:15:11 < timonator> yes
20 Jan 2010 12:15:29 < CodeBlock> timonator: \o/ i'm starting to catch on :P
20 Jan 2010 12:15:36 < codrus> doi xysel do kelci ma
20 Jan 2010 12:15:42 < timonator> what you just said doesn't work
20 Jan 2010 12:15:59 < timonator> na is for "it's not true, that [sentence]"
20 Jan 2010 12:16:11 < timonator> and with a sumti after it it has another weirder meaning i seem to recall
20 Jan 2010 12:16:13 < timonator> try this:
20 Jan 2010 12:16:17 < timonator> na go'i i mi cnino
20 Jan 2010 12:16:21 < rossi> {na go'i .i. mi cnino} seems like the right one
20 Jan 2010 12:16:24 < timonator> which actually means "no. i am new"
20 Jan 2010 12:16:28 < timonator> yeas :))
20 Jan 2010 12:16:45 < CodeBlock> ah XD
20 Jan 2010 12:17:08 < xalbo> fi'i
20 Jan 2010 12:17:31 < xalbo> As you can see, you'll get plenty of people here eager to help you.
20 Jan 2010 12:17:33 < timonator> rossi is an awesome lojbanist already :)
20 Jan 2010 12:17:48 < CodeBlock> ki'e // thanks...i think.
20 Jan 2010 12:17:54 < rossi> well
20 Jan 2010 12:17:55 < rossi> no
20 Jan 2010 12:19:06 < codrus> doi xysel .ijabo xu do viska lo skina
20 Jan 2010 12:19:38 < CodeBlock> xalbo: yeah, i noticed that everyone is really nice here and willing to help. lindar gave me a 3 hour introduction to lojban, the issue is it was at 6am and I wasn't fully awake enough to understand it all
20 Jan 2010 12:19:43  * CodeBlock should re-read the log
20 Jan 2010 12:20:14 < rossi> oh god sonic 2006 is so goddam bad
20 Jan 2010 12:20:22 < xalbo> It's the closest we can come to haunting your dreams and teaching you that way.
20 Jan 2010 12:20:30 < CodeBlock> xalbo: =P
20 Jan 2010 12:20:45 < CodeBlock> xalbo: I didn't mind, I want to learn it, but it was a bit much to comprehend at 6am
20 Jan 2010 12:21:03 < xalbo> codrus: {.ijabo} is a little weird.  The {bo} isn't needed, and I'm not sure why you're connecting anything to {doi xysel} anyway.
20 Jan 2010 12:21:53 < codrus> xalbo: i don't know why it's needed either, but i remember it from the cll. and i was connecting it the a previous bridi
20 Jan 2010 12:22:56 < codrus> s/the/to
20 Jan 2010 12:23:29 < CodeBlock> regex fail, that would replace the first one, and you missed the closing /
20 Jan 2010 12:23:30 < CodeBlock> :P
20 Jan 2010 12:23:52 < xalbo> But that doesn't connect it to *a* previous bridi, it connects it directly to *the* immediately previous bridi.  Actually, to the immediately previous jufra (sentence), which didn't have a bridi.  And that's the odd thing.
20 Jan 2010 12:24:31 < codrus> 12:17 < codrus> doi xysel do kelci ma
20 Jan 2010 12:24:53 < xalbo> And you *don't* need {bo} in {.i ja bo}, you only need it for joining sentences with a sumtcita (tenses, BAI, that sort of thing).
20 Jan 2010 12:25:09 < codrus> ua
20 Jan 2010 12:26:13 < xalbo> Actually, I'd suggest {.i je'i} for that.
20 Jan 2010 12:27:38 < codrus> ie
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20 Jan 2010 12:27:56 < timonator> you need the bo if you have more than two sentences and you want to bind two of them closer togenhther
20 Jan 2010 12:27:57 < codrus> uh oh. here's trouble
20 Jan 2010 12:28:59 < lindar> Oh no.
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20 Jan 2010 12:31:34  * lindar explodes.
20 Jan 2010 12:34:31  * codrus co'a bajra ti'a la timos
20 Jan 2010 12:36:00 < xalbo> .i li'a na curmi lo nu bevri lo me la .lindar. ve ka'a lo vinji
20 Jan 2010 12:36:54 < lindar> >___________>
20 Jan 2010 12:37:15 < lindar> .i do na xajmi
20 Jan 2010 12:37:49 < lindar> .i ko sidju mi lo nu fanva
20 Jan 2010 12:37:51 < xalbo> .i lo nu do spoja kei ku xu xajmi
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20 Jan 2010 12:38:32 < selckiku> coi
20 Jan 2010 12:39:09 < CodeBlock> coi la .lindar.
20 Jan 2010 12:39:10 < CodeBlock> :D
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20 Jan 2010 12:39:47 < lindar> cooooooooi
20 Jan 2010 12:39:59 < selckiku> hi CodeBlock
20 Jan 2010 12:40:07  * CodeBlock wonders if that's the equiv of "hellllllllllllllllo" :P
20 Jan 2010 12:40:41 < CodeBlock> o/ selckiku
20 Jan 2010 12:40:50 < lindar> .i doi la xalbo do'u pe'i do bebna je nakcinse
20 Jan 2010 12:41:45 < xalbo> .i mi nakni fi lo ka cinse
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20 Jan 2010 12:42:36 < CodeBlock> lindar: wha?
20 Jan 2010 12:46:14 < neptunepink> mi je'a zvati
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20 Jan 2010 12:47:56 < CodeBlock> coi la .neptunepink.
20 Jan 2010 12:49:58 < lindar> Uhhhhh... geez, here's a weird one I haven't thought about. X is a Y for Z.
20 Jan 2010 12:50:03 < lindar> How would I pull that off?
20 Jan 2010 12:50:04 < lindar> pe?
20 Jan 2010 12:50:17 < CodeBlock> what's the equiv. of "how are you?" or "how are you doing?"
20 Jan 2010 12:50:34 < CodeBlock> lindar: ^
20 Jan 2010 12:51:17 < lindar> Uhh...
20 Jan 2010 12:51:39 < lindar> .i xu kurji / .i ma nuzba / .i do mo
20 Jan 2010 12:53:20 < lindar> xalbo, does this make sense to you?: {.i la .gnom. vasru lo mulno nunfavgau tsina fi lo sampla .i la'e di'u lu'u curmi lo nu finti loi vlipa je pluja selsampla}
20 Jan 2010 12:53:25 < xalbo> "for" means a few dozen things.
20 Jan 2010 12:53:54 < lindar> "Intended to by used by"
20 Jan 2010 12:54:04 < xalbo> {pi'o}
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20 Jan 2010 12:54:19 < lindar> pi'o .ai maybe?
20 Jan 2010 12:54:37 < lindar> Then that should be rewritten already, but tell me what you think. <3
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20 Jan 2010 12:56:15 < xalbo> {tsina be fi}?  What does {nunfavgau} mean?
20 Jan 2010 12:56:44 < lindar> xorxes made this up, I guess. Supposed to be "development platform".
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20 Jan 2010 12:56:55 < lindar> nunfavgau tsina
20 Jan 2010 12:57:20 < lindar> Perhaps not the best, but I wasn't fit to argue at that point.
20 Jan 2010 12:59:18 < xalbo> Metaphorical usage like that makes my brain hurt.  {vasru} and {tsina} seem all wrong.  Also, {curmi} is the kind of "allow" that means agentive "grants permission for", not "enables".
20 Jan 2010 13:00:22 < lindar> Ah, that's my fault there.
20 Jan 2010 13:00:59 < lindar> I'm going to ignore the metaphors in favour of getting the larger part done now. What should I use instead of curmi?
20 Jan 2010 13:01:40 < xalbo> .i lo se go'i cu jai te kakne lo nu finti li'o
20 Jan 2010 13:02:23 < xalbo> also, {mulno ke nunfavgau tsina be fi lo samselpla}
20 Jan 2010 13:02:54 < xalbo> unless it's a platform supporting (holding up off the ground) programmers, or something.
20 Jan 2010 13:05:16 < lindar> -___- A little English, please. I haven't slept in about 26 hours.
20 Jan 2010 13:06:25 < lindar> It's a platform meant to be utilised by developers.
20 Jan 2010 13:07:26 < xalbo> {jai te kakne} is what I'd use for this "enables" ("is involved in condtions under which it is possible..."), and I'd use {lo se go'i [ku]} instead of {la'e di'u [lu'u]} for "the thing we were just talking about.
20 Jan 2010 13:08:34 < xalbo> .i la .gnom. vasru lo mulno ke nunfavgau ciste be pi'o lo sampla
20 Jan 2010 13:09:02 < xalbo> Without the {ke} there, you get "a (complete development) system/platform"
20 Jan 2010 13:09:08 < lindar> right =P
20 Jan 2010 13:12:12 < Hussell> http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html#book7 (7.3)
20 Jan 2010 13:16:15 < cmacis> co'o rodo mi sipna
20 Jan 2010 13:16:34 < xalbo> I have a love of archaic language, and a very low tolerance for things that try to sound like it and fail.
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20 Jan 2010 13:41:13 < feliks> is "la ladlaj." correct as name for our galaxy (milky way - ladru klaji)? - 1st lujvo building attempt
20 Jan 2010 13:42:00 < cmacis> ladlaj means nothing
20 Jan 2010 13:43:15 < feliks> joined from the rafsi lad-laj, made a name. does that not work?
20 Jan 2010 13:43:46 < cmacis> it ends in a consonant, so is a cmevla and not a lujvo
20 Jan 2010 13:44:20 < feliks> cmevla?
20 Jan 2010 13:44:32 < cmacis> name-word
20 Jan 2010 13:45:14 < feliks> not ok to turn a lujvo into a name?
20 Jan 2010 13:46:06 < cmacis> lujvo can be a name, but lujvo can't end in a consonant
20 Jan 2010 13:47:23 < Melvar> I think we thought up a word for this, that being {jvocme}.
20 Jan 2010 13:48:02 < cmacis> I need a jbocevni
20 Jan 2010 13:48:38 < xalbo> Basically, lojban words come in three kinds: cmavo, brivla, and cmevla.  Ignoring cmavo for a bit, brivla are the words that end in a vowel, and cmevla end in a consonant.
20 Jan 2010 13:48:47 < feliks> it happens that klaji has no short rafsi ending in a vowel, so i thought it could be used for the rear part of a compound name
20 Jan 2010 13:49:14 < xalbo> cmevla have no meaning attached to them, they just have a sound, and can be used as names for anything you like.
20 Jan 2010 13:50:01 < xalbo> It *is* possible to create a lujvo-like cmevla, by combining rafsi and ending in a vowel, but it loses its meaning when you do so.
20 Jan 2010 13:50:38 < xalbo> {.lojban.} just happens to have been created from the -loj- and -ban- rafsi of {logji} and {bangu}, respectively.
20 Jan 2010 13:51:26 < feliks> so it makes no sense to create a name that resembles the sound of something whose meaning is "milky way"?
20 Jan 2010 13:51:40 < xalbo> But the problem is that there is no meaning.  {.cmacis.} is just a word, just empty sounds.  Could be be related to {cmaci} (math)?  Could it be related to {cmalu crisa}?  It's just sound.
20 Jan 2010 13:52:11 < Melvar> I was asking myself which of the two it was…
20 Jan 2010 13:53:37 < xalbo> Although I'll admit I'm being opinionated on this topic; obviously the Elders thought it wasn't that bad, since they used that style for the name of the language itself.
20 Jan 2010 13:56:02  * Melvar thinks they know something.
20 Jan 2010 13:58:48 < Melvar> Apparently the produced names are valid, they just don’t have meaning within the language. Neither do most English names that I know of; you have to follow the etymology, often passing through several languages, to find the original words and meaning the name developed from.
20 Jan 2010 14:00:29 < Melvar> Producing names based on Lojban words seems to me much the same process, just with the etymological path shorter and perhaps more transparent.
20 Jan 2010 14:00:31 < xalbo> Oh yes, that sort of name is perfectly legal.  I'm just objecting to pretending that they're lujvo.
20 Jan 2010 14:00:54 < xalbo> Of course, it's also legal to use selbri (brivla, for instance) as names.
20 Jan 2010 14:00:59 < feliks> well, "milky way" in english isn't supposed to have literal meaning. if i left it at "ladru klaji", strictly, wouldn't that be impossible in lojban as a descriptor for our galaxy?
20 Jan 2010 14:00:59 < xalbo> .i mi'e la xalbo
20 Jan 2010 14:01:37 < Melvar> The end result is, in any case, a name. Perhaps it is possible to metalinguistically deduce the origin and thereby the referent of the name, but it does not itself have the meaning of its origin.
20 Jan 2010 14:01:50 < feliks> ok... i wasn't precise. no meant to say it's a lujvo, just was made out of one in the process
20 Jan 2010 14:02:11  * Melvar looks back at their words and thinks that maybe they shouldn’t have said that.
20 Jan 2010 14:02:51 < xalbo> {la ladru klaji} is and {la .ladlaj.} are both valid names, of different sorts (the pedant in me is screaming, and I'll qualify the heck out of that in a minute).
20 Jan 2010 14:03:27 < xalbo> Specifically, {ladru klaji} and {.ladlaj.} are the names, {la ladjru klaji} and {la .ladlaj.} are the things named.
20 Jan 2010 14:04:03 < xalbo> Also, there's a little thing called "the Dot Side", which amounts to the rule: "Always put dots before and after cmevla, always."
20 Jan 2010 14:04:48 < feliks> ki'anai
20 Jan 2010 14:06:39 < xalbo> Before Dot Side, the rules were more complicated (and included a restriction on including the letter sequences "la", "lai", and "doi" inside cmevla.
20 Jan 2010 14:06:40 < feliks> gee, i forgot the "la" in "ladlaj", since "dl" is not a forbidden cluster
20 Jan 2010 14:07:32 < xalbo> A forbidden cluster would only get you into more trouble, and {ladlaj} has *two* occurrences of "la".
20 Jan 2010 14:08:02 < feliks> k that trashes it anyways
20 Jan 2010 14:08:30 < xalbo> But the Dot Side is what lets us get away from that rule.  Provided that all cmevla everywhere are preceded and followed by dots, we can go ahead and allow "la", "lai", and "doi" inside cemvla.
20 Jan 2010 14:09:20 < feliks> indeed? ah cool, didn't see that in the books so far
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20 Jan 2010 14:10:35 < xalbo> Yeah, it's newer than the books.
20 Jan 2010 14:10:57 < feliks> but not experimental?
20 Jan 2010 14:11:34 < xalbo> Technically, experimental.  Pretty much universal anymore, though.
20 Jan 2010 14:12:25 < xalbo> The problem was that everyone kept putting in "la"s in their cmevla, even though they knew it was wrong.  One by one, they would make the mistake, be corrected, and realize how untenable the old rules were.
20 Jan 2010 14:12:44 < xalbo> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA
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20 Jan 2010 14:13:09 < feliks> understandable, it's a hard one to avoid
20 Jan 2010 14:20:49 < selckiku> coi jbopre
20 Jan 2010 14:20:56 < selckiku> any ideas what i should say for my recording today?
20 Jan 2010 14:21:29 < feliks> ki'e co'o
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20 Jan 2010 15:36:35 < cmacis> coi rodo
20 Jan 2010 15:39:23 < cmacis> mi na ca kakne lonu sipna .oi
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20 Jan 2010 15:54:02 < neptunepink> cmacis: ko sai sipna sai
20 Jan 2010 15:54:29 < cmacis> na kakne .oi
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20 Jan 2010 15:55:13 < neptunepink> je'e sai kakne sai
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20 Jan 2010 15:55:42 < cmacis> na ca kakne ge'e sai
20 Jan 2010 15:56:16 < neptunepink> mi .ai catra do
20 Jan 2010 15:57:53 < sam_tceipn_> lanme se kancu .i glare ladru
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20 Jan 2010 16:11:35 < cmacis> temci
20 Jan 2010 16:12:14 < cmacis> actually having white noise from the laptop headphone plug seems to be helping
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20 Jan 2010 16:21:48 < sam_tceipn_> loi manfycu'osna
20 Jan 2010 16:23:03 < sam_tceipn_> ju'ocu'i
20 Jan 2010 16:35:44 < CodeBlock> coi
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20 Jan 2010 16:36:03 < CodeBlock> mi zasti .u'i
20 Jan 2010 16:41:49 < sam_tceipn_> xu do pensi cu krinu
20 Jan 2010 16:42:08 < cmacis> na gendra
20 Jan 2010 16:42:32 < sam_tceipn_> je'e
20 Jan 2010 16:42:51 < sam_tceipn_> .i xu lenu do pensi cu krinu
20 Jan 2010 16:46:48 < CodeBlock> question - why do some definitions use different letters than x or whatever - what do the different letters mean? I'm assuming x is gismu and the others are other things?
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20 Jan 2010 16:48:02 < sam_tceipn_> lujvo definitions will give the place numbers in the order the lujvo uses them, but the letters and numbers are chosen to indicate where, in which gismu, that place came from.
20 Jan 2010 16:48:40 < sam_tceipn_> and when it says something like x2=b4 for a place, it means that the lujvo's place is taken by unifying the meanings of the second place of the 'x' gismu with the fourth place of the 'b' gismu.
20 Jan 2010 16:49:01 < sam_tceipn_> As I understand it.
20 Jan 2010 16:50:25 < CodeBlock> sam_tceipn_: yeah, but why do some use x, some use b, some use m, etc
20 Jan 2010 16:50:42 < sam_tceipn_> Give me an example?
20 Jan 2010 16:50:58 < CodeBlock> <valsi word="daskymabru" type="lujvo"><definition>$m_1$ is a marsupial mammal of species $m_2$.</definition><notes>Cf. {daski}, {mabru}, {daskycribe}, {kanguru}.</notes></valsi>
20 Jan 2010 16:51:05 < CodeBlock> that uses m1..m2
20 Jan 2010 16:51:29 < CodeBlock> whereas
20 Jan 2010 16:51:32 < CodeBlock> <valsi word="datka" type="gismu"><definition>$x_{1}$ is a duck/[drake] of species/breed $x_{2}$.</definition><notes>See also {cipni}.</notes></valsi>
20 Jan 2010 16:51:35 < CodeBlock> uses x1..x2
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20 Jan 2010 16:52:10 < cmacis> b
20 Jan 2010 16:52:17 < cmacis> gismu always use x
20 Jan 2010 16:52:18 < sam_tceipn_> daskymabru is a lujvo, the places are coming from {mabru}, hence 'm'.
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20 Jan 2010 16:55:20 < CodeBlock> sam_tceipn_: hmm.
20 Jan 2010 16:55:28 < cmacis> sipna co'o rodo
20 Jan 2010 16:55:54 < sam_tceipn_> co'o cmacis
20 Jan 2010 16:56:44 < CodeBlock> co'o cmacis
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20 Jan 2010 19:05:51 < selckiku> coi
20 Jan 2010 19:06:18 < phma> coi
20 Jan 2010 19:06:27 < krici> coi rodo
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20 Jan 2010 19:18:36 < neptunepink> coi
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20 Jan 2010 19:39:21 < neptunepink> Interesting, you can have multiple prenex...es
20 Jan 2010 19:43:39 < neptunepink> de zo'u da zdani de zo'u da du do
20 Jan 2010 19:47:02 < phma> ei mi cimgau le gurni
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20 Jan 2010 20:20:59 < phma> I tried two prenexes (prenices?) in jbofi'e and it barfs.
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20 Jan 2010 20:37:42 < neptunepink> There is a reason for this:
20 Jan 2010 20:37:46 < neptunepink> jbofi'e sucks.
20 Jan 2010 20:38:01 < neptunepink> Try camxes. The handy-dandy parser.
20 Jan 2010 20:39:25 < phma> How do I install camxes?
20 Jan 2010 20:39:53 < neptunepink> Are you on windows or linux?
20 Jan 2010 20:40:06 < phma> Linux and DragonFly.
20 Jan 2010 20:41:52 < neptunepink> Save http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/rats/lojban_peg_parser.jar someplace safe, put a script in your $PATH that cd's to its directory and runs  java -Xss64m -jar lojban_peg_parser.jar $@
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20 Jan 2010 20:42:30 < neptunepink> (I suppose you could specify an absolute path to the jar, uh)
20 Jan 2010 20:44:45 < phma> ok, I just ran the java command and it just sits there
20 Jan 2010 20:44:56 < phma> how long does it take to start up?
20 Jan 2010 20:45:13 < neptunepink> It should already be done.
20 Jan 2010 20:45:37 < neptunepink> It doesn't print any headers.
20 Jan 2010 20:45:54 < neptunepink> before reading stdin
20 Jan 2010 20:46:31 < phma> je'e
20 Jan 2010 20:54:11 < phma> How come it considers both "sarvanslami" and "sarvanyslami" as valid?
20 Jan 2010 20:56:03 < neptunepink> I don't think it does any checks on the morphology.
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20 Jan 2010 20:56:50 < neptunepink> It's all PEG grammar.
20 Jan 2010 20:56:59 < neptunepink> (Probably.)
20 Jan 2010 20:57:33 < phma> The PEG includes morphology, and it rejects "slinku'i" and breaks "tosmabru".
20 Jan 2010 21:11:38 < florolf> coi rodo
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20 Jan 2010 21:56:27 < neptunepink> doi timonator
20 Jan 2010 21:59:00 < florolf> la'a la timos ca'o klama
20 Jan 2010 22:02:11 < neptunepink> .uaki'e
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20 Jan 2010 22:23:49 < lindar> yaaaaaay
20 Jan 2010 22:23:58 < neptunepink> New fu'ivla: mamtabedo
20 Jan 2010 22:24:01 < neptunepink> x1 is your mom
20 Jan 2010 22:25:20 < lindar> >_>
20 Jan 2010 22:25:45 < Hugglesworth> ...
20 Jan 2010 22:26:40 < neptunepink> Closely related to the english, "a bed", the one that is mine being the one she is often in.
20 Jan 2010 22:27:07 < neptunepink> Example time!
20 Jan 2010 22:27:13 < neptunepink> doi lindar mi gletu lo mamtabedo
20 Jan 2010 22:27:52 < lindar> That's pretty gross.
20 Jan 2010 22:28:03 < Hugglesworth> an example that would make a spelling bee proud
20 Jan 2010 22:29:47 < neptunepink> Lojban doesn't have spelling bees.
20 Jan 2010 22:30:16 < Hugglesworth> >_>
20 Jan 2010 22:30:41 < neptunepink> Lojbanistan, rather.
20 Jan 2010 22:30:51 < lindar> I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE ROOM SWITCHING MACRO ON XCHAN
20 Jan 2010 22:31:08 < lindar> L_Alt+Num
20 Jan 2010 22:31:19 < lindar> NOT XCHAN
20 Jan 2010 22:31:20 < lindar> CHAT
20 Jan 2010 22:31:22 < lindar> XCHAT
20 Jan 2010 22:31:27 < lindar> THIS IS MY DJAN IMPRESSION
20 Jan 2010 22:31:30 < lindar> DO YOU LIKE IT?
20 Jan 2010 22:32:30 < neptunepink> It's a little heavy on the upper-case.
20 Jan 2010 22:32:41 < neptunepink> Also he probably doesn't use xchat.
20 Jan 2010 22:33:41 < Hugglesworth> djan uses irssi IIRC
20 Jan 2010 22:35:25 < lindar> He does.
20 Jan 2010 22:35:46 < Hugglesworth> and we all know irssi is the best
20 Jan 2010 22:36:21 < neptunepink> na go'i
20 Jan 2010 22:37:07 < neptunepink> ro da poi prije prenu zo'u djuno lo du'u la .kanvrseitiyn. go'i
20 Jan 2010 22:42:12 < lindar> FACE
20 Jan 2010 22:52:25 < lindar> So...
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20 Jan 2010 23:01:12 < lindar> How would y'all translate "Un-X-able"?
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20 Jan 2010 23:05:23 < neptunepink> nu mo kei na kakne
20 Jan 2010 23:06:24 < lindar> Uhhh... what?
20 Jan 2010 23:06:42 < lindar> That's not gendra.
20 Jan 2010 23:13:09 < neptunepink> hrrm
20 Jan 2010 23:14:59 < neptunepink> na'e
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20 Jan 2010 23:36:56 < lindar> Face!
20 Jan 2010 23:43:08 < lindar> What the eff is "No command (Exec) to launch" supposed to mean?
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20 Jan 2010 23:44:52 < lindar> O_o
20 Jan 2010 23:44:58 < lindar> I didn't mean to do that oh gods.
20 Jan 2010 23:45:15 < lindar> o_O I didn't know what that thing was.
20 Jan 2010 23:45:23 < neptunepink> oh, obviously, na nu MO kei kakne
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20 Jan 2010 23:55:09 < lindar> Face.
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21 Jan 2010 00:02:46 < lindar> Is there a way to mark a negative prenex?
21 Jan 2010 00:03:02 < lindar> "There does not exist X, such that it . . . "
21 Jan 2010 00:05:19 < tomoj> no da?
21 Jan 2010 00:16:36 < lindar> Ahhh, drunk translating.
21 Jan 2010 00:27:29 < lindar> Yep, this isn't working out too well.
21 Jan 2010 00:28:05 < lindar> sleepy
21 Jan 2010 00:38:56 < mathw> ko do sipna
21 Jan 2010 00:40:17 < mathw> .i lonu sipna xagzenri'a lonu pensi
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21 Jan 2010 00:54:35  * mathw contemplates an appropriate translation of 'aikido'
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21 Jan 2010 00:59:53 < florolf> mathw: i'd suggest a fu'ivla
21 Jan 2010 01:03:02 < mathw> That might make sense, especially as 'aikido' is something of a loanword in English
21 Jan 2010 01:03:24 < timonator> at 6:59 i was breakfasting i think
21 Jan 2010 01:03:27 < mathw> The alternative would be to make a name based on what aikido actually means, but that would be difficult to recognise
21 Jan 2010 01:04:11 < timonator> airkido :)
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21 Jan 2010 01:04:30  * mathw has a vision of hovering people
21 Jan 2010 01:04:38 < timonator> ;)
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